Month: June 2014
enderandrew, whom some of you may have known for upkeep of the very helpful unofficial FAQ, is leaving. I referenced this FAQ several times for both my own personal questions and questions fielded to me from friends, so that was quite well done!
No more though. enderandrew has now been chased out of the SotA forum by heavy handed Moderators and has posted his farewell in a post titled Goodbye. Something tells me I need to back that posting up right quick, as voiced in that thread is his statement of unfair oppression from the Moderation staff which itself is echoed by quite a few others there also.
“The moderation staff have made it clear to me that I’m not welcome here so I’m taking my leave.”
It is no surprise folks. You’ve heard of the Tall Poppy Syndrome? I’m guessing that Junior Moderator Mystic suffers from this affliction very heavily, we’ve covered this several times already. SotA what are you going to do when you chase all of your valuable members out of your community? What bunch of waste are you going to be left with once you do? What the actual fuck?
So, just a little detour here for a comment in that thread. Fake female and penis tuck artist Gracekain had some trolling to do:
Caliya, will you take my green troll hand in marriage? lulz, I’m falling for you girl!
After this thread popped up, I guess a friend of enderandrew wanted to show him that not everyone in the community was out to get him? He created a thread with a poll in it encouraging him not to leave. This thread was posted by CaptainJackSparrow, and has since been locked out! Jack actually came across Shroud of the Avatar by running a google search over MMO and PvP which I thought was funny.
Here was Jack’s post I managed to grab before it is totally removed.
EDIT: Jack’s post has been removed lulz.
Jack has indicated to me that there was no explanation for his post of positive support from both himself and the community as a whole to enderandrew being locked out, it just locked. Now Jack has had the balls to do something which not many people have, Jack has reported his own post and sent me the text in which he has submitted! Jack has a few valid questions, and apparently is very paranoid about being banned for posting this thread which is a damn shame. I hope you don’t get banned either Jack, but it is their track record. Here was his report text:
I am reporting my own post because it has been locked. I do not know why it has been locked, I have had no communication from you as to why it was locked?
I am scared that I will be banned if I raise this openly.
I felt it was a positive thing to do to voice support for a member of our community who might be feeling down!
But Captain Jack is still very puzzled as to why his positive show of support for someone has been locked up with no warning or explanation.
Better get use to it Jack if you are going to post on the SotA forum! Also Kudos for reporting your own post lawl! I haven’t heard of anyone doing that yet.
By the way folks, the tally of the vote to keep enderandrew in the forum: 33 vote yes and 6 vote no
As we discussed yesterday, the Community Manager has posted a nifty little topic about the recent baseball bat approach SotA forum Moderators have been taking against the forum users and their legitimate concerns. A link to that can be found in yesterday’s post HERE.
Today, the Community Manager added to the post by commenting to it. The jist of it is, don’t worry if you can’t see your posts, because we can, also, you have no freedom of speech here! I suppose they must think that is fine? That the reason we are a little pissed is because we thought they got deleted? Well breaking news! They basically are if we and nobody else can see them with the exception of certain twat Moderators we all know and have issues over there with.
The Community Manager mentioned freedom of speech quite a bit…
“But my freedom of speech has been violated! …on a community forum, you are only afforded the rights that are promised to you when you become a member of that community”
“In addition, the sheer act of participating in these forums…has nothing to do with “freedom of speech…”
Fine, we get it, break the rules and we’re going to have our posts hidden so much so hard and so fast they may as well be deleted. Problem with that? The rules are a joke. This is exactly how you can deal with people questioning you on your bullshit, because the broader the scope of the rules and less specific they are, the more room you have to smack users down with them.
It is too obvious, I was banned the first time for my opinion on your Moderators and showing everyone exactly what they do and are all about. Not for posting pictures of what they say on my blog, where in your fucking rules does it tell anyone they can’t take pictures of your forum and post them elsewhere? The second time I was banned for posting my questions about Dev+ information being leaked, Dev+ which I have actually paid for and are upset about because you have let people break the terms on keeping their god damn pie holes shut, not for “inciting on the forums”. Lulz. Oh Portalarium, you jest!
Free speech or not, InsaneMembrane banned or not, it speaks volumes about yourselves simply based on which posts you choose to, not delete, but remove from the entire community. You continue to upset people and create confusion, it will only get worse.
What can you expect? It seems that Shroud of the Avatar only release information to sources which are very very cosy with them!
Here are my comments, in which I was banned for. I even said it was a great article and didn’t blame the author! 🙂
Fair enough I did get one thing wrong according to Andy Cortez a SotA Dev who has corrected me on Art sourced from Unity. I made a correction post on that which was also deleted here is what Andy had to say:
@aInsaneMembrane we actually do not buy assets and give them to people
I made a few more comments on the article which were also removed I didn’t back any of them up I didn’t figure it would be required. I should have learned my lessons on that by now!
To be continued, Polygon…
So, the SotA community manager has posted an address on forum Moderation in the SotA forum. It was meant to address the community’s concerns over Moderation. I can say overall that this was simply a dismissal of everyone who had issues with the Moderation there. Basically, she called everyone a troll who has been Moderated, good or bad.
Here is a link to what was said: https://www.shroudoftheavatar.com/forum/index.php?threads/on-forum-moderation.11791/
I’ll back it up also in case someone with some business and customer experience at Portalarium finds it and kills the thread for obvious reasons.
Here are some of the good bits:
On the Feeding of Trolls, and other ponderings.
If you feed them, then you are also a troll I guess.
DO NOT feed the Trolls…
Oh, have to say it again? Caps this time? We missed it the first time.
“just because someone says they don’t like something, it does not make them a Troll. But that’s another discussion.”
Uhm, what? What other discussion could that enter into? Sense, you not make.
“True trolls are clever”
Trolls are not cleaver, if you are smarter than them, have a good system of rules in place with professionals dealing with the situation. None of which you guys have.
“If your friends jumped off a bridge, would you do it too?”
Really? We’re really going there? Apparently we’re trolls, we pwn bridges, why you talkin bout bridges! This argument doesn’t work with kids, and it sure as shit doesn’t work with trolls or people trying to feed them.
“we are not going to violate their privacy by discussing their situation with you.”
Well that is bullshit. I may have to take this one a bit further a bit later, I think I’ve still got some evidence to the contrary.
“there may be times when a post is deleted without breaking any rules, and it is unfortunate.”
Yeah that is unfortunate because why use a scalpel when you can just use a fucking baseball bat or sledgehammer to delete the entire thread and/or someone’s post with no warning what so ever? Yeah, you guys are REAL CLEVER. More clever than us trolls for sure.
“This is the internet. There are going to be trolls and haters.”
“some of them have even gotten perma-banned. But they also know how to create alt accounts.”
Hey look, I got a reference! Lol any god damn 9yr old behind a keyboard can create an alt account. I mean shit, just go grab another free internet e-mail account and keep repeating the process. Easy as shit, and does not pay to call them smart for doing this, makes you look worse for not being able to deal with it.
“They know how to post just shy of breaking an actual rule. But they are being monitored and dealt with. “
So, you are now monitoring and dealing with people who are not breaking rules. Do you see where your problems are coming from? Change the fucking rules! lul.
“This is the internet, there are going to be trolls.”
Oh this line again.
“the most common ways they are violated, both by trolls (remember, trolls are clever)”
We iz smarts! We runz the internets! Look out cute kittens, come at us bro!
“Again, true trolls are clever.”
No. We are really not. In fact, us trolls are some of the stupidest fucking assholes out there. Don’t try to make yourself and everyone else over there feel better because you’ve let the Moderators run rampant and cant deal with them or us.
“DON’T FEED THE TROLLS“
Again you have to say this? The funny thing is, the general community doesn’t really have to feed us that much. We’ve got plenty just with your Moderators alone. This is now starting to show, but this placebo post of yours isn’t fooling anyone.
All in all, a good general run around circle jerk. Guys, we know you are full of shit, but don’t make it this obvious k pls thx? If you do my job for me, I can’t be a clever troll!
LUL. In a brilliant marketing campaign lead by one enderandrew on the Shroud of the Avatar Forum, a couple of reddit posts were created linking up to the new Shroud of the Avatar game Trailer posted on YouTube.
Ohhh Membrane you say, back the fuck off these guys what is wrong with that? Well, bitch, only just that after elderandrew posted that he saw the need to include, literally, a TWENTY THREE(thanks for counting Bill, fucked if I was going to!) bullet point list of how much wow sucked compared to Shroud of the Avatar… which is not released, not playable, which nobody knows how it will turn out, which is still taking orders from the highest bidders to shape the game, and based quite loosely on information which is ever changing!
Here are the Reddit links if you wish to comment, I know I shall be.
Here is the SotA forum link, where he is now taking flack from SotA users lulz. Let us see how long this post is up for, looking at you Mystic.
Oh SotA users, YOU SO SILLYYYYYYY.
“I will look into it.”
– Lord British
After taking the time to appeal directly to the King, he has punctually written back with the assurance that he will look into the matter. I suppose this is the best case scenario at least the King has read the letter 🙂
I have decided to write a letter to the King, Lord British, sovereign over all Britannia. A couple of things recently have influenced me enough to try to appeal directly to Lord British himself. Those things are the plight of his people, everyone who supports Shroud of the Avatar and contributes to the Shroud of the Avatar forum, and a comment left on my site today in regards to my BAN, whom is one of those community contributors.
“Inciting and slandering”? If SotA’s disciplinary actions were made publically available, such unfounded censorship would not be tolerated by the community. By trimming their forums of awareness of Dev+ leaking, our community is deafened to the consequences of it. Unfortunately, Portalarium is brushing these issues under the rug, at the expense of all Dev+ backers, just to save face with a few high-tier leaking backers.
Junior Moderator Mystic has been taking advantage of the fact that as a junior moderator he has the ability to remove posts. He has clearly and wrongfully been removing legitimate posts of multiple users under that purview. He has been antagonising, attacking, and interfering with multiple community driven efforts and individual thoughts on a regular basis. Things are sour now, and seemingly continue to ripen. I only hope it is not too late for Portalarium to remove this individual and his efforts in interfering with the community, for I fear that Portalarium may have shown a bias towards him and are now actually unable and unwilling to remove this person from his position due to that. This was illustrated when MGT470 Guild posts where removed, by Mystic, when the MGT470 member reported illegal software activity(which I have now reported to Adobe) . Not only that, but Mystic continued his personal vendetta against this user long after the incident he reported, links for and using pirated software by some other community members, by removing his posts, no matter the subject.
In any case, here is the text of my letter which I am about to send to Lord British!
To King British, first of his name, Lord of New Britannia, Master of Virtue, and Destroyer of Evil.
I most humbly prostrate before the feet of your most excellent majesty, you’re grace’s reputation of Virtue and Honour are not in question to your must humble, faithful subject, who has so critically committed crime against your most gracious highness, I appeal directly to your grace, fearing that by any other means, my humble submission may fall on deaf ears, or worse never presented to your great office.
First, I acknowledge myself to have most unfavourably acted in the court of your excellent highness, in that I have not submitted myself, wholly, to your most Virtuous laws; for my offence therein, which I must confess was to me more than a hundredfold more grievous, to my own person, than it could have been to any other living creature.
Secondly, to open my concerns to your grace, in these things which I have before refused to harmonise with, I do not and would never beseech your grace to have pity and Compassion on my lost soul, but to appeal to your heavenly Love and divine Truth, I seek only Justice, for your entire realm, and to have the people know your highness as I truly do.
Thirdly, as I, as many know your excellent knowledge, Virtue, intelligence and wisdom, put wholeheartedly our faith in your authority, divine beyond reproach in all the land, and beg your grace to review, in only a way your most exulted rule can, the digressions in your court of your privy council, especially the name of Mystic, who subverts your Virtuous and most exalted rule, without regard for your realm of most humble and submissive subjects, and whom dares to upon his own authority, take extraordinary and dastardly measures to supress the will, no, the love of your people, of you, through their voice.
Your grace, I leave you with these final words, in which I have sought comfort and identified with for many years, in hopes that with all your teachings, you may find it of some value. Your most humble servant.
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
― Carl Sagan