Portalarium Continues Depreciating Player Owned Towns & Housing

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Abandoned_House_Stock_7_by_ekoh_stockthe future of housing in Shroud of the Avatar
Here we fucking go again kids. I swear the management of the community and communication between us and the Devs is enough to cause me PTSD. Things are suppose to be getting better, instead, Portalarium appears to have decided to not honour their dedications on Player Owned Towns and outsource their work to an Ultima Online relic, Winfield. Somehow, Winfield has managed to really put cock to ass when it comes to the Portalarium team. I bet if we look under that rock, we’ll find a Lord of the Manner pledge or something equally as predictable.
Just take a look at all of their propaganda on the Player Owned Towns taken directly from their website today. Took a screen in case they decide to try to change the text again.
housing-contactclick to enlarge
This image is that of a Player Owned Holdfast, the lowest level entry into the Player Owned Town market and will set you back just a cool $750. What you get for that, is a design session with the “Dev Team” in order to iron certain things out, like the layout of your housing, NPC buildings and locations, the story of the town and so on. A note in the fine print at the bottom, basically, don’t call us we will call you!
Well they didn’t call us, and they have wrongfully decided to start this communication off by having their unqualified high pledge favourite Winfield post this in the SotA forum:
 https://www.shroudoftheavatar.com/forum/index.php?threads/helping-with-ideas-for-player-owned-towns-templates.20067/
Some of what is in there:

“I (Winfield) talked with @RichardGarriott and Starr Long ( @Darkstarr ) at PAX SOUTH in San Antonio about some ideas—I own a metropolis to be used for the PaxLair—The design team will need to make scene templates to make the process efficient for them and for us. We can help now to prepare for that design process.

 

“This thread is NOT a complete discussion about everything to do with Player Owned Town designs and desires. There are other threads for other parts of that discussion. This thread should be a pretty objective look at what is already designed.”

– Winfield

winfield is not qualified to do anything for sota it is fucking clear
So Winfield unzips his royal super pants and flops his big wang out there about himself and manages to stop spinning it about long enough to get out the fact that he is now taking requests to help the Devs build the Templates? If I understand? He also frames future discussions which is the scary part of this thread, “There are other threads” – that is just awesome. Keep it as confusing as you can guys, multiple threads in a sea of Shroud of the Avatar forum bullshit where nobody can ever find it.
It appears that the ground work is being laid indeed in a few other threads I wasn’t even aware of until just now when he linked them into this piece of shit. Seems like Winfield, of course who else, is running something called “all player towns gathering” – no doubt something which has gone unnoticed to many, and I’ll bet later on I’m going to see the line from some twat out there “oh you missed the random news in the random post by the random Dev? well Douchefield has been running the player town gathering which you should already know of, you must go to that.” Fuck you I do, where is my mother fucking promised “design session” with the Devs?
Also I just checked the time of the last all player towns gathering meet up… Bloody fucking Friday afternoon at 3pm. Really? Does nobody else have a job, how is that for planning! One might thing that you would just check to see, plan a head a bit, coordinate with the actual POT owners. Naw, its Winfield, OBEY. Several people do miss these events due to the inadequate planning, bad time, and lack of notification. How does Winfield make up for this? With a recorded Podcast or Google Hangout? Naw wtf man, you think Winfield needs to worry about that shit? He is so high up the food chain he no have to do shiiiiit. Just pop out a lazy screen shot is all he did. Fucking hard at work this bloke! No wonder the Scholars of Novia had such a false start the first time.
This is what happens when you hand responsibility out to beggars and bullshitters. You all out there with Player Owned Towns had better start E-Mailing Portalarium now before it is too late, they will do to you what they have already done in so many other instances before. Go get your lube and something to bite down on. As for me, all I can do is keep calling this insane lack of dedication and commitment on Portalarium’s part to the entire Shroud of the Avatar community. That is right Ports, not letting this go.
Love ya.
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51 thoughts on “Portalarium Continues Depreciating Player Owned Towns & Housing

    Chaos said:
    January 27, 2015 at 4:47 am

    Nothing against Winfield really, as he does seem to posses a sliver of common sense, isn’t defending Shroud of the Avatar from the fanboy wagon at any cost all the time but this is just another example of the Pay to Win, favoritism going on in Shroud of the Avatar. As much as most of the fagatron roleplayers want to build a bronze Winfield statue to circle jerk around, he is not qualified in any way to handle any development Shroud of the Avatar related. I wonder when Portalarium will realize that letting certain favorite players take control of aspects of development is a terrible idea, not all people feel comfortable relying on a community member, which probably has biased views, to get something done, it is horrible business to force other players to deal with a community member to get something done within the game. The College of Arms is a great example, these low life fuck wits with no education, no common sense, pretty much just trolled anyone they didn’t like, their views are not even in touch with what is going on in reality, making up rules to benefit themselves, beyond horrible experience trying to talk to these turds and you most likely had to suffer through that experience if you wanted a Coat of Arms. How about having to deal with pretty boy Violation to get into Dev+ chat?, the arrogant troll that barely even games, yet he seems to think he knows exactly what makes a great game. It’s interesting seeing that his view on the game, what he defends changes every week?, I wonder if he really even knows what he likes? Who wants to deal with an annoying sissy fanboy like this just to be able to get access to a chat room Dev+ is entitled too? Portalarium seems to think having unprofessional people like this handling an aspect of the game is a great idea, even though the have a big enough team to easily handle it all. The problem with that is Portalarium has no idea how to manage a team, plan a head, set goals, they are all over the place, jumping around, rushing, adding broken useless shit on top of other shit. It’s no wonder the progression in development has been so slow, even with a fairly large team, when the leaders are clueless, but yea, keep playing captain robot from your bedroom Richard, that’s pro status management right there.

    Frank said:
    January 27, 2015 at 5:39 am

    Once upon a time, there were four uneducated fuckwits that tried to step up and do something that needed doing. One of the fuckwits wandered off without a trace. One of the remaining fuckwits got really tired of trying to get the other fuckwits to do the things they said they would do, and laid down an ultimatum. The other fuckwits told him to fuck off. So, the second fuckwit packed his tent and left. The remaining fuckwits elected another fuckwit. After a couple of months sitting around slapping themselves on the back and still not getting anything done, fuckwits three, four, and five wandered off.

    A couple of gentlemen picked up the pieces and are still trying to do the things that need doing, without a lot of support from the community or the dev team.

    I hope they succeed.
    They certainly deserve praise and support.

      insanemembrain responded:
      January 27, 2015 at 2:05 pm

      Why do you think that it is the Dev team either stopped or is not supporting their efforts? They seemed to talk about it enough, so why not get on board with it? What also do they need from the community?

        Frank said:
        January 27, 2015 at 2:57 pm

        Writing the code to properly assemble a coat of arms on different shaped objects (flag, shield, tabard) is more challenging than Portalarium have time for. There is no automated way to ensure each player’s coat of arms is unique, so it has to be done manually. Portalarium doesn’t have the manpower to sort arms manually, so would have to rely upon volunteers. Many players balk at having other players being granted approval authority. Many players balk at following any kind of rules of heraldry. What many players really want isn’t heraldry. They want to import an image they think is cool, and many of the submitted images are intellectual property they don’t have the rights to use. There is no legally safe way to let players upload any image they want. So…Portalarium isn’t giving it support because it’s less important than building the world and getting combat finished. The community needs to provide code, or this particular reward may be a long time coming.

          insanemembrain responded:
          January 27, 2015 at 8:21 pm

          Would it not be best simply to have a TOS where the player is forbidden to use images they do not have the permission to use, Portalarium can just push the responsibility back onto their players and absolve themselves of it totally.

            Frank said:
            January 28, 2015 at 12:27 am

            I don’t know if that would be sufficient or not. I think writing the code is the larger issue. Fortunately, it’s not something I have to worry about.

              Joviex said:
              January 28, 2015 at 9:04 am

              I could do it. I even started to help. then I stopped, Saudi start the living fuck am I doing, and told them good luck.

              it souks be actually very easy using the svg plugin for Unity and a hash for each blazon to make sure they were unique.

              port is simply fucking clueless how to handle even the most basis of community sourced anything, and I’m fine trying to help.

                insanemembrain responded:
                January 28, 2015 at 9:12 am

                You haven’t had much luck so far! Maybe some of this does go to Frank’s point of them being too busy to interface with the community. But then, why talk about how much of that they are doing when they are not…

                I saw that quote a couple of times already in the SotA forum about how SotA is only %20 done. Damn.

                  Chaos said:
                  January 28, 2015 at 10:46 am

                  One of the biggest issues that Portalarium and the College of Arms people fail to realize is that the system they are trying to implement doesn’t allow enough unique ideal choices. So at some point a player will have to be forced to create a coat of arms that doesn’t even resemble what they wanted, or what they stand for, just because all the other combinations are taken. The College of Arms decided to ignore a lot of what actually took place around that era concerning Heraldry, Banners, etc and claim that what they are using is “World wide Heraldry rules”. That just shows how uneducated they are and that they are just trying to force people to do what they want to happen.
                  Of course people are going to “balk” when they have to deal with idiots like NirAntae and you, especially when you buffoons were put in a power position that couldn’t be bypassed.
                  It also amazes me that people keep saying that they don’t have time or the man power, when really you would be surprised what a 30 person team can produce. I’ve seen way way smaller teams produce 10x the content Portalarium does, this all goes back to how Portalarium has no clue how to run a business. They are incapable of thinking ahead, knowing what they can or can’t do, they made promises they aren’t able to deliver because of that.
                  You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to understand that the system they are trying to implement wont work, it’s unfair, and unrealistic. The fanboys will never let go of it though, especially since they were first in to submit their Coat of Arms and got exactly what they wanted. How about working on something that puts everyone on the same level, or get rid of the system entirely.

                    insanemembrain responded:
                    January 28, 2015 at 11:12 am

                    That is actually something I didn’t know about. There are people with their own custom CoA in-game already? I don’t seem to have spotted any while playing yet.

                      Frank said:
                      January 28, 2015 at 11:16 am

                      I haven’t seen any yet either. We did create arms for some special NPC’s, and I haven’t seen those yet either.

                    Frank said:
                    January 28, 2015 at 11:13 am

                    The majority of the people involved were SCA heralds trying to implement a system Richard Garriott specifically asked for. The system would have included about 4000 specific charges people could use, and would allow for many more combinations than the 4000 or so people that qualified for the reward. It’s only a founder level reward, and the number of founders is basically fixed. So, basically, everybody could have had something unique, and they would never run out of combinations. The problem was (and I think still is) getting charges converted to SVG and into a generator that could work on the fly.

                    Players bitched about being limited by actual rules of heraldry. Players bitched about more relaxed rules of heraldry. Players bitch about any limits at all. They don’t want heraldry. They want a picture they think is cool.

                    What people like you fail to realize, is that the College isn’t just making shit up. They’re trying to give players what they want within the limits Richard set.

                    But, you know, believe what you want.

                      insanemembrain responded:
                      January 28, 2015 at 11:58 am

                      I think you could categorize me in the part where players bitched about the rules. Guilty. I understand the need for limits for things such as complexity, size, and a pallet or something and get that. I also agree that non-medieval items shouldnt be used by native britannian peoples, however we avatars are not from britannia, so, why can’t we expand a bit on items we can use there to give some a bit of freedom. If I want a blue Eiffel tower on a white shield, is it really that detrimental to other’s game?

                      Even if it were, with a bank of 4k things I am sure I would be fine to make one just from that and be happy with it and get over it. My next point is about the judge/approval part, if there is a set of pre-approved images and configurations, wtf is the need to actually then have someone approve something created from approved assets? 🙂

                      But Frank you are right, most of these are community based problems, it does need more time and a decent community person dedicated to playing with the forum kids about their issues and expectations from the Devs based on the reward text and everyone’s combined individualistic thoughts.

                      Chaos said:
                      January 28, 2015 at 12:36 pm

                      You still fail to realize the “Rules” you claim to follow, weren’t followed by everyone in that era, I’m not about to type out a history lesson here for you but Portalarium and the College of Arms basically just took what benefited them from that era and went with it, forcing us to use strict rules under a uninformative misleading a lie, but everyone will believe anything that is spewed from Richard Garriots mouth right? Fanboy for life. Also yes there could be a lot of combinations, but I was under the assumption that you had some common sense. Since players are limited to this strict ruleset for creating a Coat of Arms and there being colors that mean something, different symbols that mean something, that severely limits what people would actually want to choose for colors, symbols. I doubt many that create a Coat of Arms just throw together any random creation without looking into what everything represents.
                      Apparently our already approved Coat of Arms are suppose to make it the into game, but that hasn’t happened yet. So yea people already have a reserve on Symbol, Colors already, since the College of Arms uses that basis to accept or deny your submission, or did, I’m not sure what’s happening with them recently.

      Queen B said:
      January 29, 2015 at 8:24 am

      let us not forget that the extra elected fuckwit felt the same way the second fuckwit who left did. Actually made it fully aware that second fuckwit was right all along and so recently elected fuckwit also fucked off. And made better things for the fuckwits life cause there were more important things to do that actually *Did* matter and were not run by a lot of fuckwits!

      Was that worded better?

      For the remaining fuckwits – They have my support – 2 of them anyway. They deserve lots of creds!

        insanemembrain responded:
        January 29, 2015 at 8:59 am

        I wish instead of fuckwit, you all used real names so I know who to pay attention to 😛

    Chaos said:
    January 27, 2015 at 9:07 am

    That’s good to know, I was generally talking about the College of Arms around the time when they first started up and several months after, I’m not sure what’s going on with them now. Trying to get help with the Coat of Arms was a nightmare, mainly due to NirAntae’s couch potato attitude, a poster child for the word useless. She prefers gossiping in the chat room about nonsense rather than helping people with a task that the developers put faith in her doing, pretty much just ignores you and seems like she’s pissed off that you are messaging her. Fuckwits to the maxipadimum.

    Frank said:
    January 28, 2015 at 1:31 pm

    The only approval would be that whatever arms you design were not the same as somebody else. But Grant is working on a tool that would automate that.

    And Chaos, please. I know what you’re talking about, and that kind of thing came about much later than the time period Richard told us to aim for. And also, if the guy making the game tells you to aim for something particular, of course you do what he asks. And even if you want to assign meanings to colors and symbols, you can bet your ass that the very next player would say that you were being too restrictive. Ultimately, we want a system where people make what they like, and it means whatever they say it means. Did I hurt your feelings? I’m sorry. You can rest easy, knowing that I haven’t been standing in your way since last June. Do whatever you want.

      Chaos said:
      January 28, 2015 at 3:59 pm

      I’d like to know why Portalarium is so set on following that Ruleset in the first place? was it because of realism, I’d like to see the ruleset expanded to how it actually was in reality, not just a portion of the era. Realism doesn’t make much sense, considering well.. look at the game, it’s not realistic in many ways, so why are we trying to be so real on this one subject? I believe it’s just because someone can’t distinguish the different between being fascinated with something and knowing if it works in a game with a lot of people or not.
      I understand how the chain of command works too, but the College of Arms could of done the right thing and told Portalairum to come up with a better solution. From my experience getting mine done, the College of Arms did the opposite and hopped on the band wagon, supported Richard 100% backing it up defensively, even when others pointed out the same stuff I did. This is exactly the type of stuff I’m talking about when I mention certain groups of favorite fanboys ruining the game.
      I would be all for a system with more freedom, with no ties to only one portion of an era, not many rules, besides it not being obscene. You think that would of been the obvious path.
      You didn’t hurt my feelings and you really had no part in why I discredit the College of Arms, besides the fact that I know you were supporting that trash system behind the scenes. I might sound like I care more than I really do, I just have a thing for calling out the bullshit. With the majority in this community being clueless fanboys, blinded by the fake stardom of Richard Garriot, the few that are in touch with reality need to step up and try set the facts straight. Look at Joviex and Bubonic, they were hardcore fanboys, but now they are coming around, seeing the truth.

        Joviex said:
        January 28, 2015 at 4:08 pm

        lollers.

        dude you obviously have not been following me. ive called their bullshit since month two.

        never been a fanboi.

        if anything, I am a fan of Raph Koster, and even Brian Fargo, never been a Richard Garriott fan, always seemed to nutty.

        but I did like the universe, and I liked the Ultimas. its obvious he never had any management skills whatsoever.

          Chaos said:
          January 28, 2015 at 4:21 pm

          That’s odd, because I clearly remember Bubonic and you, basically talking smack to anyone with an opposing view of the game on irc. You two would team up on people all the time, even if the person was being legitimate, seemed like you two were on a mission to prove Shroud of the Avatar was the best thing ever and the Developers could do no wrong. Maybe you’ve forgotten those days, as it was quite a while ago and you two seem to have calmed down recently, the past months anyways. I don’t forget when people try to be two faced though.

            Joviex said:
            January 28, 2015 at 4:25 pm

            week that is am odd memory. all my forum posts are clear as day for you to go read. like I said Ive been calling them on their shitty delivery since June 2013.

            you sure you dont mean Jovien?

              Chaos said:
              January 29, 2015 at 8:11 am

              It was definitely you, referring to irc, but I’d say the majority of the encounters that I witnessed involving you like that were when you decided to come to aid Bubonic in defense, after he decided to pull his fanboy shenanigans and needed backup. I didn’t see you provoke people like how Bubonic did.

        Chaos said:
        January 28, 2015 at 4:14 pm

        I was just joking about Joviex and Bubonic coming around, I’d really say that they are just mad that they haven’t won any awards, haven’t got much credit for their trash submissions. They think they deserve something because they tried so hard, because of this, they now are looking for ways to rebel. That’s how materialistic immigrants work, how they think, if only they sucked up a little longer, maybe they could have won something? guess we will never find out.

    Bubonic said:
    January 28, 2015 at 11:16 pm

    Um…. who the fuck are you and why have you dragged my name into your petty shit slinging? How about you do some actual research and look at past threads before talking complete bullshit? Do me a favor and give me a link to one post, even ONE post, that puts me in a fanboy category.

    What a tool.

    Bubonic said:
    January 29, 2015 at 3:30 am

    …and I’m not sure what you are referring to when you say “trash submissions”, but that certainly sounds like what I would like to call “armchair direction.” In other words, continue to sit there on your ass and complain, while other people actually do shit.

    You are obviously still a bit butthurt because I made you look like a complete ass in chat at some point. Most likely, that is because you were being a complete moron and spouting drivel that was A) inaccurate or B) troll-like. And guess what? You’re still a moron, and still spouting drivel that’s inaccurate and troll-like.

    You’re like the Rock of Gibraltar, friend. Don’t ever change.

      Chaos said:
      January 29, 2015 at 7:15 am

      Thank you for confirming my point, you sure are a wise one. All you useless people resort to the same mentality, phrases, most often containing the world “Troll”, must be a 3rd world undeveloped immigrant thing. Bubonic thinks he has done the world a favor because he decided to create something that anyone could do, he decided to submit something under the quality, creative level that most would of been happy with. This just shows where his thought process is at, thinking he deserves a hand out or a praise because he attempted to do something. Maybe his frustration comes from working in the janitor section on a trash cartoon. Poor Bubonic should try harder.

        Bubonic said:
        January 29, 2015 at 7:32 am

        lol… now I KNOW you are trolling. Keep on keepin’ on, armchair director. Make sure you clean the cheetos mess off of your shirt when you finally peel yourself up off of your chair.

          Chaos said:
          January 29, 2015 at 7:39 am

          Yea, everyone is “trolling” right? The truth must hurt since you’ve probably been sitting in your light station with nothing to do all day, refreshing this page waiting for my response. I wish that you possessed the ability to type something creative, your typical Troll response got boring years ago. You did try something new with the cheetos thing, I can see you are attempting to step out of the box, I give you that, but keep working on it.

            Chaos said:
            January 29, 2015 at 7:45 am

            I wonder why you don’t resort to talking like a 10 year old on the forums? you seem to reserve that special personality for irc, and probably anywhere not directly linked to the permanent Shroud of the Avatar forums. Do you think some how you are preserving your reputation by acting like a fool everywhere but the forums? This just shows how two faced you can be, how you pretend to be someone that you aren’t. Deep deep inside you know you are a sad individual, it shows every time you get frustrated and attempt to be a clever fanboy on someone.

              Bubonic said:
              January 29, 2015 at 7:53 am

              so what you’re saying is you can’t find an example of me being a fanboy. Wonder why that is? Cause there aren’t any. In other words, because you’re full of shit.

              And yes, you must be right. Even though I use the same name and everyone on the forums and IRC knows me, I act like a completely different person in chat.

              You really are making yourself look like a tool here. Good thing you aren’t using your real name, I suppose.

                Chaos said:
                January 29, 2015 at 8:04 am

                Obviously you missed the class that teaches you to comprehend English as now you are just babbling on about things that I just explained. I have logs upon logs of you being a straight out fanboy, a lot of logs of you defending stuff that you now are against, trolling people, giving out childish pre school insults like you have been doing today.. Keep pretending though, and you wonder why a lot of people can’t stand you.

                  Bubonic said:
                  January 29, 2015 at 8:07 am

                  logs upon logs, eh. I’d love to see some of them. And funny that someone who is hiding behind an anonymous handle says I’m pretending.

                    Chaos said:
                    January 29, 2015 at 8:19 am

                    How am I anymore anonymous as your name? I can be Bubonic too if it makes you feel better but there you go again, resorting to stuff that doesn’t even matter, like usual. Someones mad because the truth is real.

    jackspawwow said:
    January 29, 2015 at 8:29 am

    wooop for no sensored chat now we get to see all the bullcrap we always wanted to read

      insanemembrain responded:
      January 29, 2015 at 8:44 am

      lol. hey, at least you all can not worry what you say, no ban hammers here!

      the one thing i will say is that a pic is worth a thousand words. or i suppose if you are me posting screenshots taken from the sota forum it is only worth a single word: ban

        Bubonic said:
        January 29, 2015 at 10:45 am

        yup, pictures are great. Right now all I’m seeing is a lot of empty butt-hurt accusations with nothing to back them up. I must’ve really embarrassed him in chat, so many moons ago.

          Chaos said:
          January 29, 2015 at 12:11 pm

          Don’t try flatter yourself now, we all know that you lack the ability to make anyone feel degraded in anyway by what you try so hard to do. Instead, you might soon comprehend, that you are being taken for a ride, and this ride is bringing out the best of Bubonic just as planned, right?
          Although I will say that everything that I have said is the truth and I do have the data, information to back it up, For me, I am happy with me knowing what is going on, I don’t have to share anything just to prove something to you, I really don’t care if you want to put on an act, pretending you are not like that. You also need to understand that this is quite comical, a good time for me, while you are mad, trying to be creative with the new “Troll” come back. Your words bring me joy, being thankful that I’m not as pathetic as you.
          I would like you know, if you’ve been such a hardcore opposition for so long, why did you spend so much time sucking up to the developers? why did you spend so much time trying to create content for the game? why do you live on the forums? why do you defend Shroud of the Avatar all the time? Your actions are fanboy to the maximum, yet you have come to the conclusion that you’ve been standing against.
          Possibly I think one of the problems here is that Bubonic was raised as a pampered baby and has never been called out on his absurd behavior, he handles this like a juvenile.

      Chaos said:
      January 29, 2015 at 8:47 am

      I know right, FireLotus can’t crawl out from under her rock and make Shroud look good by deleting the truth over here.

        Bubonic said:
        January 29, 2015 at 9:46 am

        hmmmm…. maybe you should consider actually posting some truth. You know, instead of unprovoked, unjustified, and completely false personal attacks.

          Chaos said:
          January 29, 2015 at 10:20 am

          Poor Bubonic, trying to clear his name after acting a fool. Good luck with that. Someone sounds worried.

        jackspawwow said:
        January 29, 2015 at 9:57 am

        was refering to your arguing you fukwit

          Bubonic's shadow said:
          January 29, 2015 at 11:01 am

          el stupido?

    Bubonic said:
    January 29, 2015 at 12:20 pm

    Yeah, that wasn’t me. Now the troll is posting under my name. I guess I should thank him for so blatantly exposing his true slef.

      Chaos said:
      January 29, 2015 at 2:28 pm

      Everyone believes you, don’t worry, you got this Bubonic.

    Juan Jose said:
    January 29, 2015 at 3:32 pm

    bubs, dun kno where muh msg went but this is important, when u cum to work tmrrw, remmber ur 1 job, set the gamma to da propa setting oks?

    Juan Jose said:
    January 29, 2015 at 3:34 pm

    oh ders muh msg, i see it up der now, must of been dat big booty lag

      insanemembrain responded:
      January 29, 2015 at 4:05 pm

      No you triggered my spam system lol. Country of origin plus many posts plus bad spelling triggered the spam filters and they were like, fkn no you don’t.

    Troll said:
    April 19, 2015 at 4:17 pm

    Ewguh booguh

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